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What would the house edge, in craps, be if the house paid the field 3 to 2 for everything but the 2 or 12? 2 and 12 still paid 2 to 1.
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1.5(14/36)+2(2/36)-1(20/36)
13.89% player advantage
DJTeddyBear
You're saying 2 and 12 pay 1:1, and 3, 4, 9, 10, 11 pay 2:1?
That would be a positive expectation game!
I.E. 2/36 pays $2, 14/36 pays $1.50. 20/36 lose $1.
That means for every $36 wagered, you'd win $25 and lose $20.
For what it's worth, there's a casino in New Mexico (Santa Ana?) that pays triple on BOTH the 2 and 12. That's a 0% house edge field bet.
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ten2win
The Santa Ana Star Casino is the place that pays triple on the 2 and 12.
I played there last Friday and Saturday nights. I DO play the field often when I go there to play.
The hardway bets pay 9 TO 1 and 7 TO 1 for the 6/8 and 4/10 too.
vert1276
The Santa Ana Star Casino is the place that pays triple on the 2 and 12.
I played there last Friday and Saturday nights. I DO play the field often when I go there to play.
The hardway bets pay 9 TO 1 and 7 TO 1 for the 6/8 and 4/10 too.
as far as hardways go....with you comment on them paying 9 and 7 'TO' 1.....have you ever played at a table where they paid 9 and 7 'FOR' 1?..........because I have never seen that....and I have played a lot of craps.....so just wondering why you pointed that out?
ten2win
I usually don't play the crap in the middle. So, please, correct me.
I played a $5 hard 6. It hit and got $45. The original $5 stayed up.
Would that be 'for 1' or 'to 1'?
Which is better? or could it be better?
DJTeddyBear
...The original $5 stayed up.
Would that be 'for 1' or 'to 1'?
Which is better? or could it be better?
If the original bet stayed up, it's called X to 1
X to 1 is better than X for 1 - assuming the X is the same in both phrases.
X for 1 means they will pay you $x,
FOR your bet of $1. I.E. They'll take the $1.
For example, 8 to 1 is mathematically identical to 9 for 1.
Some casinos will use the 'for' terminology, in an attempt to confuse a novice, since 9 for 1 sounds better than 8 to 1.
Quote: vert1276
as far as hardways go....with you comment on them paying 9 and 7 'TO' 1.....have you ever played at a table where they paid 9 and 7 'FOR' 1?..........because I have never seen that....and I have played a lot of craps.....so just wondering why you pointed that out?
I've seen it. Primarily in Las Vegas.
Here's an excerpt from the Imperial Palace review I wrote after my visit last year:
I played some craps. $5 minimum. Field pays double for both 2 and 12. The junk in the middle all pays 'FOR' I.E. The hardways pay 10 for 1 and 8 for 1. No big deal. I'm used to seeing 9 to 1 and 7 to 1. That's mathematically the same. But the other stuff pays 15 for 1 or 30 for 1 for things I'm recall seeing elsewhere as 30 to 1 and 15 to 1. During my week in town, I discover that all craps tables use the 'for' terminology, but pay 31 for 1 and 16 for 1 at most non-Harrah's company casinos. Ditto for the field bet. Harrah's pays double for 12. Most other places pay triple.
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vert1276
If the original bet stayed up, it's called X to 1
X to 1 is better than X for 1 - assuming the X is the same in both phrases.
X for 1 means they will pay you $x, FOR your bet of $1. I.E. They'll take the $1.
For example, 8 to 1 is mathematically identical to 9 for 1.
Some casinos will use the 'for' terminology, in an attempt to confuse a novice, since 9 for 1 sounds better than 8 to 1.
I've seen it. Primarily in Las Vegas.
Here's an excerpt from the Imperial Palace review I wrote after my visit last year:
well ya I have seen 'FOR' on a table but its 9 TO 1 or 10 FOR 1 which is the same thing...........So pointing out that is was 9 TO 1 implies that he has seen places where is is 9 FOR 1.....which is the question I was getting at
ten2win
DJ, thanks for the quick and easy run down! That certainly clarifies the to and for issue.
Vert1276, I was just trying to provide terminology I had seen the other night. I honestly, rarely, make any hardway bets.
Last Friday, some guy was on a very hot roll and I was up almost $700. That was when I started the $5 hard six and eight bets. I'm not even sure what a 'usual' pay out is!
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No, I'm saying that the 2 and 12 pay 2:1 and the rest of the numbers pay 3:2. What do you think the house edge would be?